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blockhead "Ace High"
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Holland, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: League rankings |
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Since most of the variables used in the rankings are already in system, wanted to see how easy it would be to get user defined scoring. We currently use the Log method, but we have run into some issues (posted additional comments under home tourney). I guess the 2 options I'm looking for is:
1 - ability to multiply the ranking by number of entrants. Example: using log method, first place in 6 person tourney gets 1.95 points. I want the ability to multiply by 6 to get a score of 11.7
2 - ability to not include high/low score to even out rankings. Or even ability to pick best n tournaments. |
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JBWilkins "Twos full of Threes"
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 134 Location: Vegas ...baby....
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Finally someone else requested the same thing as me..........I would love a user configable league ranking system.........I didn't get a lot of response/input the last time I requested this...... |
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MaxPower Founding Father
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Funky Cold Medina - Ohio
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't think it would be that hard, Doc. But then again, I'm not a software developer - I just help planes stay in the air...
-Max
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drneau Site Admin
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 2385 Location: Woodbury, MN
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I wouldn't think it would be that hard, Doc. |
It's people like you that make the life of a software developer hell.
Software'n is hard. It's hard work. Sometimes we even come in on Saturdays. _________________ --
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MaxPower Founding Father
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Just doin' my job!
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Seitz333 "Cowboys"
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Blacksburg, VA
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta agree, I think this would be a nice feature.
Chuck |
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unyostun "Cowboys"
Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 32
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Seitz333 wrote: | Gotta agree, I think this would be a nice feature. |
Indeed. |
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JBWilkins "Twos full of Threes"
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 134 Location: Vegas ...baby....
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Finally.....more support for this feature........
Hey Doc.....could the program pull a formula out of a text file......(if you create one with the correct varables)....... |
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rastapete Founding Father
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 401 Location: 'Ipsa' this, you pissy little bitch!
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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JBWilkins wrote: | Finally someone else requested the same thing as me..........I would love a user configable league ranking system.........I didn't get a lot of response/input the last time I requested this...... |
What JB said. I pull the rankings into Excel and massage them there - so this would save me a bit of work. |
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drneau Site Admin
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drneau Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Work has begun.
Of course, when it comes, this feature will only be available to those paying for extended features. _________________ --
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drneau Site Admin
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 2385 Location: Woodbury, MN
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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More on the work in progress...a peek into how I'm developing it.
A league ranking system actually consists of 2 formulas:
- The tournament scoring formula (a player's score for a given tournament)
- The league ranking formula (how tournament scores are combined into a league score...like "total", "average", etc. Also might be minimum # of tournaments).
Details on the tournament scoring formula system I'm coming up with...
A tournament formula consists of a numeric expression.
A numeric expression can be either a numeric formula, a numeric variable or a numeric constant.
A numeric formula is one of the following: add, subtract, multiply, divide, min, max, abs, ceil, exp, floor, log, power, round or sqrt. The operands of a formula are another numeric expression. So, if you wanted to add two sqaure roots, you'd really have a numeric formula (add) with two other numeric formulas (sqrt) as the operands.
A numeric variable is a numeric attribute of the player or the tournament: player's buy-in expense, add-on count, add-on expense, rebuy count, rebuy expense, bounty, bounty revenue, knockout count, total revenue, total expense, net gain, finish or place revenue. Also could be tournament buy-in count, add-on count, rebuy count or gross prize pool.
A numeric constant is just a number.
I'll also consider (later) adding formulas that having boolean logic embedded in them, like "if".
So, you'll be able to construct extremely sophisticated formulas. Sound like I'm on the right track?
The domain logic is there. Now I need to GUI-ize it...give you an easy intuitive way to construct the formula. Then I need to work on the league ranking formula. Then I need to let you save it and load it (probably in a special file for formulas defined in the properties screen). _________________ --
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MaxPower Founding Father
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Funky Cold Medina - Ohio
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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So what's taking you so long?
-Max
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rastapete Founding Father
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 401 Location: 'Ipsa' this, you pissy little bitch!
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the peek.
Hey doc, you gonna hook me up today? I'm jonesing pretty bad here.
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clay Loser
Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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drneau wrote: |
I'll also consider (later) adding formulas that having boolean logic embedded in them, like "if".
So, you'll be able to construct extremely sophisticated formulas. Sound like I'm on the right track?
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Love it love it love it.
If I understand this correctly would I need the boolean logic if I want to do something like....
IF Rank = 1 tournament score = X (winner)
IF Rank <= 8 tournament score = Y (final table formula based on rank)
IF rank > 9 tournament score = Z (everyone else. those who showed up)
That would be fantastic.
Also one (hopefully) minor thing. The HTML export for the league. Any way you could have it inlude the points earned for each tourney instead of just the total? |
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drneau Site Admin
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 2385 Location: Woodbury, MN
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | If I understand this correctly would I need the boolean logic if I want to do something like....
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zactly.
Quote: | Also one (hopefully) minor thing. The HTML export for the league. Any way you could have it inlude the points earned for each tourney instead of just the total? |
Yeah. The current league HTML export was just a quick and dirty thing to get something there.
The dream is to have a league export create an interlinked collection of configurable pages...one for the league and one for each tournament in the league. _________________ --
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rastapete Founding Father
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 401 Location: 'Ipsa' this, you pissy little bitch!
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Sweet dream.
And thanks for the fix. |
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JBWilkins "Twos full of Threes"
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like everything is on the right track..... |
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5thStreetPokerParties.com Founding Father
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 145 Location: MINNESOTA
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drneau Site Admin
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 2385 Location: Woodbury, MN
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what it looks like so far. Getting close....
The first one is the "log avg" formula that I normally use. The second is what Clay's formula might look like.
I'm going to add more options to the "score accululation" area:
- Average, total, decaying weighted average or decaying weighted total for tournament scores. (decays give more weight to recent tournaments)
- Post ranking adjustments, like automatically pushing tournament winners to the top if you want.
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